Genuinewinner.com Unhappy Customers

Hourmouzis again taken to court and prosecuted along with his Wife Kylie Tjepkema who is also involved in the scam.

Hourmouzissuedsuccessfully.

The main CRIMINAL Culprit is ” Steven Hourmouzis” in Australia who operates numerous forums and sells under different names who claims he is a legitimate business. Here is his Own  History to date. .

1) Imprisoned for Scamming and Fraud and using the internet for perpetrating his scam 1999 Read more

2) Forced by US to refund one Victim $8000 who allowed us to show proof  ” PUBLICLY” of the purchase and and what he found wrong with Hourmouzis Roulette Computer and his paper system over an 8 month period after we revealed how Hourmouzis scammed Tony from France. See what the customer found here .

3) 2013 JULY Recently been investigated and reported to the FBI, one Smart guy went above the Police and the Governing ACCC that regulates businesses to FILE A FEDERAL CASE against Hourmouzis and successfully Sued him in an AUSTRALIAN COURT OF LAW for THEFT. The Courts found Hourmouzis business addresses to be all Bogus. When the courts investigating Officers look into it further it was found that Hourmouzis claims to be Destitute of no Fixed address which is partially true. But his accounts were found to have nearly  $50,0000 in Australian Dollars, most of the money coming form his online roulette scams. The address he is currently at is rented and he owns no properties like he claims. The rented property is shared by Kylie Tjepkema and she  also became liable for half of the theft from the victim and is involved in the online theft of peoples money. Anyone wanting to join in a joint ” CLASS ” Claim against Hourmouzis simply have to just send me their name and address and proof of purchase. It will not cost you anything at all and you will be entitled to a full refund. The Police and ACCC are now looking into his business affairs and Criminal Activities.

Mr Hourmouzis claims we have fabricated many lies about him, so we decided to cut the chase and as requested show all the genuinewinner.com unhappy customers wanting a refund. THIS IS FOR HIS PAPER SYSTEM and HIS PHONE SYSTEM his shows you proof that they purchased his rubbish and now want http.//genuinewinner.com to honour his guarantee that he will give them a refund, he also use to offer a 200% refund if you was unhappy, he’s since removed it as more and more people are asking for their money back.

He also offers this FAKE GUARANTEE at http://roulettecomputers.com

Never purchase a roulette prediction device from Australia, he has many people selling under different names and many fake sites all in Australia because you are unprotected their with trading standards ( ACCC)

Some people have paid over $8000 for this rubbish that does not work, especially Steven Hourmouzis mobile phone that he claims we do not have and have not tested it, if we have not got it, then what is this Mr Hourmouzis, you can see its actually your phone with your software on it, its the biggest scam I have ever seen and I have a ridiculous amount of unhappy customers of yours complaining to me to investigate, until I direct them to this site and they see that other people have been the victim of your elaborate scam>

Tony from France discusses what he found wrong with the $8000 gambling phone on this public thread that still exists.

LINK TO THREAD click on image to enlarge

Here is a list of people wanting the 200% refund you claim you give people if your product does not work when they purchased it, can these people have a refund Mr Hourmouzis?

He still offers the guarantees at his sites http://roulettecomputers.com and http://genuinewinner.com on the home page if you check, take a screen shot and save it if you want a refund.

Here is a copy of him posting the 200% guarantee taken from this site
LINK TO PROMISE TO PAY BACK UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS

Click image to enlarge!

He claims he will give the refunds of over $60,000 if the 6 people that contacted it come forward with the phones, it never happened!. Yet another site contacted with complaints by people wanting refunds from Hourmouzis for their roulette phone that does not work!

He still claims his products are Lab tested and proved to work, by what recognised institution, its not, its a hook to get you believe his products are genuine, its not LAB TESTED AT ALL!


Several Customers, one spending over $8000 dollars with this guy want a refund, when they asked, Mr Steven Hourmouzis asked them to place the Sim card in the phone, because with this in place, he can remove the software remotely to remove the product you have just paid several thousand dollars for. So be warned how this character operates He also gets you to sign a legal confidentiality agreement to not disclose with anyone else,so you cannot warn other people about the scam, but the legal document is not LEGAL, so if you have a complaint and want a refund from this character, contact us to place your complaint with us and to pass it on to the relevant authorities. Contact:  markhowy1@gmail.com

One person has complained to the Police and the ACCC but is still currently waiting for a refund from Steven Hourmouzis, here is a copy of His Complaint to the ACC as well with details, he welcomes anyone contemplating to purchase from Steven Hourmouzis to contact him first in person so that he can tell you first hand what a scam Artist and conman Mr Hourmouzis is.

Yet another unfortunate victim this week reports to me about Hourmouzis not giving the refunds he claims he gives back, here is the newest victim reporting to me about hourmouzis scam

hi Mark howe

Please mark can you help me get my money back of this scam artist. I do not know how to go about it, who do I contact? here is the proof he ripped me off and refused to give me a refund.

Thank you

Another Victim you have permission to contact is Severus who has asked for Hourmouzis to honour his refund, but he refuses.

Here is proof of his payment and you can contact him using this email severusf@yahoo.com

Application to the ACCC

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Application confirmed

Confirmation

The ACCC appreciates the time you have taken to report this scam. The ACCC receives many reports of scams. This information greatly assists us to monitor scam trends and take action where appropriate. A record of your report will be kept and if any further information is required, you may be contacted by ACCC staff. If you want advice about how to deal with a scam, please review the information on this website. You may also wish to contact the SCAMwatch Information Line on 1300 795 995.

You submitted the following: Scamwatch complaint lodged by Mr Viorel Perianu

Complainant details Name: Mr Viorel Perianu Age: 35-44 Gender: Male Street address:xxxxxx Suburb / Town: Braila State: Outside Australia/New Zealand Country: Romania Postcode: 810468 Business hours phone number: +40723385090 Email address: viorel.perianu@gmail.com

Name: Steven Hourmouzis Street address: 2 Warrior Court Suburb / Town: Lily Vale, Melbourne State: Vic Country: Australia Postcode: 3140 Phone number: +61 3 9727 2211 Email: nospam@genuinewinner.com URL: www.genuinewinner.com ABN: ACN: Other names: Stephano

What type of scam was it? Computer prediction software (including betting)

What problems did you experience?

Misleading or deceptive information about the product/service/business Overpriced or sub-standard goods Difficulty getting a refund

Application confirmed

Money

Did you pay / transfer / lose money to the scammer?

true

Briefly describe the scam (including any information not covered by the questions above): The item I purchased was a roulette computer that cost me 8250 AUD. The product clearly does not work like he claims and I would like a refund that he promised at his site of 200%. I just want my money back as this is an elaborate scam orchestrated by a clever manipulator and clever fraudster.

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/maintain/create/index.phtml?contentTypeName=

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Hi Mark

Here is proof of payment for Stefanos system, I just want my money back, you have permission to show everything I write and proof of payment of $2000 to this conman.

Heres proof of me Gethin Hills payment who has repeatedly asked for a refund and you can see his email to me>

rom MicroSoft Sucks <highlander243@hotmail.com>
to mark anthony <markhowy@googlemail.com>
date Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM
subject Re: Predict Roulette Contact form
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hi mark
i wrote you ages ago about trying to get a refund from the rip off artist stefano. sorry for the delay but i now have the time to follow up on this matter. do you have a fax num. where i can fax you all documents i have from when i bought the system. to scan them will be difficult but maybe possible.
i book the GW ebook. he refuses to give me a password to open it & accuses me of breaking the terms agreement with no proof. the system just doesnt work as he states, he takes days, weeks & even months to return emails. before i bought the system he spouted about how you are paying for his personal support, once bought he just ignores you & gives excuses about why he takes so long to reply. i´ve been burnt & i accept that. maybe with some luck, you can help me get a refund.
all the best
stevan martin

Tony from France did get a refund after heavy pressure highlighted he had been scammed by Mr Hourmouzis

Here is his email to Steven Hourmouzis and proof he purchased the system, Steven Hourmouzis claims the several thousand dollars is for a Nokia phone repair, can you beleive this guy.

Heres the mail from Tony to Steven hourmouzis

Proof of shipment and scam in shipment claiming its for a nokia repair

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
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Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi Jorge
if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

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Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

On 9/19/07, jorge lafuente garcia wrote:

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
Number:
Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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hi Mark, ill scan the payment receipt to send it to you, i used my bank to make a wire transfer. that was the way i puechased the system. just a question: i didn´t understand on your last letter this part: “then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites.”
Thanks again, have a nice day
jorge.
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Hi Jorge
if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

Mark ..

On 9/21/07, Jorge Lafuente wrote:

Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

On 9/19/07, jorge lafuente garcia wrote:

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
Number:
Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi Jorge

He will have to pay you a refund if you can prove
A you purchased the system( please state which one)
B Why you believe it does not work, use any evidence you can, even my sites.
C When you purchased it and what money have you lost trying to use it!
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Hello Mark, this is Jorge, I´m sorry for not writing for some time,
but i´m going to be honest to you. As you know i´m convinced that
stefano`s system is a scam and thats why i decided to contact you in
the first place, but i was waiting for a little while before telling
him to refound my money because he is been very pushed by all the
players about a CV online software that he promised to all of us was
going to be ready to use soon, so i have been waiting to see if its
real that that thing exist, But these last days some players that feel
the same than me were talking in the players forum like it is all a
lie, and a friend of me ( another player) yesterday was banned of the
“system team” and by the way i told him to contact you too.

I really appreciate your concern on helping me, and i really want to
continue right now with this because i dont like that Stefano do this
to people.
Tell me what should i do from now please, well you told me to contact
him asking for my refound and give him one week and if he refuses to
answer. contact you again. Thats what i´m going to do now, please let
me know of any news

Thank you again Mark, i´ll let you know as soon as i send him my
ultimatum message. Now i have to go to work but as soon as i get back
home i´ll do it.

Best regards to you!

jorge.

On Oct 15, 2007 4:48 PM, mark anthony wrote:
> Hi Jorge
>
>
> first things first.
>
> you need to contact Stefano and ask him for a full refund.
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> State that you are going to go to the authorites and also contact his
> competiitors with all information that the system loses and evidence of
> purchase if he cannot make a refund. You will also contact the Police.
>
> State to him, if he wishes to not to pay you back a refund that he claims he
> does at his site, or what grounds does he not wish to pay you your refund?
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> Give him 1 week to reply.
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> We have to do this legally frst.
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> YOu need to save proof that he refuses to pay you.
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> Regards
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> Mark
>

Jorge Lafuente
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hello mark, im sorry for not contact you before but i had to go for a couple of weeks to make a job, im back now.
ill try to make a copy of the recipt of the transaction to stefano, i can tell you that im unhappy because i sent him spins to be analized from him to find the “customs” from different wheels but never succidded, he just told me that maybe i was taking bad spins or cause of the humidity or air pressure or anything to make me think that i had to be more careful taking the spins for analisis.
I havent losse much money with the system because its been almost imposible to use it( for not say IMPOSIBLE), but yes i lost real money, and i have never win at all not even to recover my $2000( i bought the roulette standard system). He says in the site that EVEN A LITTLE KID CAN APPLY THE SYSTEM, and i dont think so at all. He says later(offcourse when he had sell the system) that is not so easy, you have to consider lots of things, and i cant stay for a hole day during a hole month in a casino trying to get perfect spins….
I have lost a lot of my valuable time doing nothing.
Im i a little clear. ?
Please tell me if its ok this that i have told you here, or do i need to tell you more specific the points, and please tell me what should i have to do now.